wow, the maturity lvl of this place definately has went down the crapper......then again maybe its just the same as its always been. meh, last time i post anything wanting a semi-serious discussion.

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yee haw

I CAN'T READ THIS DISSERTATION NOW!

people who say things like "you'll get my guns when you pry them out of my cold dead hands" are creepy

you'll get my guns when you pry them out of my cold dead hands

You'll get my guns because I'm not a retard.

This is exactly what my friend said after coming home from his first day at the gun range.

Him "Ya'know how in 'Superbad' Seth Rogan says 'it's like having two cocks, except one of your cocks can kill someone,'"

Me, "yea"

Him "Dude it's so true."

So if someone were trying to take my member from me they'd have to kill me first too.

You are a fucking dumb backwoods redneck. There's no reason for ANYONE to have a gun other than people in the military or on movies.

God I swear everytime I read one of your posts I want to rip out my eyes. I hope someone breaks into your apartment and blows your afro off with a shotgun.

AGREED! you must not have eva shot a gun. you dunno what power is until you've fired a large caliber weapon and see what kinda destuction is can cause! theres plenty of reason to own a gun and the number one muthafuhqn reason is SELF-DEFENSE!!!......plus they're fun as shit! I was out monday with a few buddies shootn. blew up my old stereo, cpl shitty golf clubs, beer cans, cut down sapplings........good times, good times. the ground looked like a war zone afterwards.

I knew Id get those kinda of responses here cause alot of you are still wankn it in yer "roomates" basement. at least the other board I posted this on replied with semi-mostly-intelligent responses.

also, get off my jock you dumb son of a bitch.

^^^WTF was that all bout? fuhq bush and im not a redneck

quoting this because people who own guns for self-defense are paranoid trash e.g. mrdude prob




haha i just read this part are you serious or is this satire i can't tell

*shoots beer can* *is 600 pounds*

gotta prepare for RaHoWa david lane ron paul 1488 the pacific northwest: home of new aryan purity

no dipshit is prob talkn bout me. ive been around a lot longer than u have bud, just dont post very much any more cause this place is full of fucktards like you. thats why 404 is goin down the crapper. i was here since its hayday, howwa bout j00?

Im sure some of you may still remember the classic "joke of the day" topics I used to do all those years ago......

sfb has been here just as long if not longer also shut up this topic is pretty much a troll what did you expect

lets turn this topic into something else anyone got any ideas

maybe just whats goin on with your day or whatever, what youre feelin

as for myself i am happy that it rained today because it has made the air a lot cooler and its not all gay and hot

i dont own a gun so i cant go outside and shoot inanimate objects, but since it rained it would not be a good day to go outside anyway, especially to shoot inanimate objects

there is a boat in our yard that has been left there by a neighbor for quite some time, i wish i had a gun so i could blow holes in the bottom of it

And you'll also realize the line "Any idiot can fire a gun" has never been truer until you have used one. I've gone to firing ranges and fired several, including a high-powered revolver. It is so incredibly easy. I don't mind people owning guns. But dammit. give them proper training first.

yeah, and I was like 11 and you were always this stupid.

dei'd just means moved, it doesn't mean she moved it

Unless she moved it WITH THE POWER OF HER MIND.

This was moved to intellectual discussion...?

lmao

You guys are fucking morons, seriously. Yeah gun control is important (the gun show loop hole is retarded) but seriously. Owning a gun is important, especially for self defense. Maybe there's nothing to worry about in your pussy white bread town, but in some places having a gun and not having a gun can mean life or death. I don't think every american should own an ak or something, but you can't take away a persons right to protect themselves.

he still has a "yeehaw, shooting shit in my backyard for no good reason" attitude and i dunno i don't think people like that should have guns, especially when they say it's for self defense but then i guess feel guilty about not actually being able to use it for self defense so might as well use it on old stereo equipment!!

seriously the way he talks about destroying random shit and "oh the power" is like what you would read in the journal of a psycho killer

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no but you can call it retarded. also there is nowhere in america where having a gun and not having a gun is the difference between life and death. there are situations in which that's the case, but they're so unlikely unless you're looking for conflict that buying a gun is dumb.

more likely to shoot a family member than an intruder etc etc i live in the ghetto and need a gun is a retarded argument

also props to whoever deleted my post about how moving topics is retarded you're cleanin up the boards gj

You obviously don't live in the ghetto.

you must not have eva shot a gun. you dunno what power is until you've fired a large caliber weapon and see what kinda destuction is can cause! theres plenty of reason to own a gun and the number one muthafuhqn reason is SELF-DEFENSE!!!......plus they're fun as shit! I was out monday with a few buddies shootn. blew up my old stereo, cpl shitty golf clubs, beer cans, cut down sapplings........good times, good times. the ground looked like a war zone afterwards.

I'm pretty sure the number of cases where somebody shoots an intruder outweighs the number where they shoot a family member. Sure, it sucks that it happens at all, but it could be avoided 100% of the time by prudence.

And kill or be killed situations pop up all the time, even in America.

I'll probably never own a gun, or live somewhere where I might need one, but I'd still say taking away all guns (is that what the topic was about? The first post got deleted) would be retarded. Criminals never get them through legal channels anyway, because they're so easily traced and hard to get.

yeah good answer

no wait you're full of shit, in fact if you think more gun-owners in the ghetto is a good idea i don't think you live there either.

nope you're completely wrong actually and you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about

http://www.eiconline.org/resources/publica...gvdb/gvb1-5.pdf

hey look googled for 5 seconds found a sourced fact sheet. if you think a handgun to protect yourself from random acts of attempted murder in the US is a good idea, you are an idiot no matter where you live.

I don't really think murder statistics are relevant. If you want to kill your wife, you want to kill your wife. The gun doesn't make you want it any more.

That was cool how you addressed only the first sentence of my post though and got all insulting. You really know how to debate. "UHH YOU'RE AN IDIOT"

well you started off with a retarded assertion you hadn't researched and then when i called you on it you just said "i don't think murder statistics are relevant." right we're not talking about guns or anything

but i'll do you the favor of looking through the rest of your post

okay then you said kill or be killed situations pop up all the time in america. you didn't really go into detail so i think you're just asserting that for no reason but feel free to prove to me that you gotta kill or be killed in this here country

okay moving on you said you'll never own a gun or live somewhere you'd need one. that's sorta just background so wasn't worth commenting on. taking away all guns is retarded was up next. yeah you're right and i never said that. the first post was a comical email chain letter about democrats having backwards ideas on gun control. okay so there's that one answered.

last up you mentioned criminals never get them through legal channels but i guess you could check out my link and see a lot of the people who committed gun violence in their homes got them legally. i mean once you kill someone like that you're pretty much a criminal. what do you mean by criminals exactly? if i wanted to bait you i could ask if you meant darkies but that would be insensitive

was that good enough? you have anything else you'd like me to write up for you? i can write poems too

I guess I worded my "retarded assertion" badly in that I meant accidental shootings of family. I must've thought that was so patently obvious that nobody could misread me. Of course most murders happen between people who know eachother ("motive"), and if somebody has a gun they'll probably consider using it. That's the same reason I said murder statistics aren't relevant.

I'm not saying America is kill or be killed. I'm saying that people kill people all the time in America. Every time that happens, the victim is in a "kill or be killed" situation.

By criminals I meant people who commit crimes. If you want to throw out racial things that haven't even been slightly hinted at, go ahead. Going back to the first part that I didn't clarify for you: I wasn't really talking about murderers. I was talking about robbers, burglars, muggers, etc. That's what most people mean when they say self-defense. If your wife wants to kill you, she's probably going to attack you when you're vulnerable, not when you're able to run and grab a gun and defend yourself. These murders you love bringing up are really a different subject. It's not like they don't happen in places without guns.

e: Give me a poem, if you want. Something light and nonsensical, like Silverstein.

i want a poem actually

okay well guns being in the home increases the amount of spousal and family murders by nature of a deadly weapon being so close to personal conflict. which is another reason having a gun in your home is stupid, which is all i'm really saying.

people kill people all the time in america, yeah. but you just said this isn't about murder but then you say something like that. besides, we've already talked about how most murder victims know their attackers so how would this work exactly? keep your gun ready and when your wife is about to shoot her gun you pop her first? you said yourself that's not how it is. so how does "kill or be killed" enter into it at all? guns don't save you in (extremely uncommon) kill or be killed situations. they're usually not involved. this isn't the movies. more guns doesn't reduce violence.

right so you were talking about robbers, burglars, and muggers. well muggers is kind of a moral thing but i don't think i'd want to kill someone who was gonna mug me. maybe i'm a bleeding heart but killing somebody over my wallet seems sort of barbaric. robbers/burglars sure, but that's in the home and i've already linked studies that say the presence of a gun in the home make you more likely to be the victim of violence than if you didn't have one. so i don't think that's a very smart thing to do either. guns are dangerous, won't protect you when your assailant is also armed, and just make more violence. there aren't any unarmed violent home invaders to protect yourself from. guns don't keep anybody safe in a society like ours.

so these murders are a different subject? murders occur more often in homes with guns because the weapons are accessible. murders happen without the use of guns but without guns we'd have a lot less murder. it's a lot easier to get your gun and kill someone you're pissed at than beat him to death or stab him. guns make murder so easy a child could do it. and hey they do, too.

i'm not for a full gun ban but having a handgun to protect your house from burglars or yourself from muggings/violence is stupid.

Pretty much anything is a deadly weapon, so I don't buy that. None of these gun fanatics have knives in their houses?

For the second point, you're mixing things up. If you want to call kill or be killed situations extremely uncommon, then you have to separate them from murders and make them just the muggings/robbings etc. I agree that guns don't reduce violence.

I wouldn't kill somebody who was going to mug me, either. But there are some muggings where the victim gets killed, and there are a lot where the mugger uses a weapon other than a gun. If somebody pulls a knife on me and I pull a gun in response, he's probably gonna get the hell out of there, and maybe even think twice about mugging somebody next time. If I don't citizen's arrest him.

The studies didn't really give much proof that having a gun makes you more likely to make you the victim of violence. They related a few tales of guys who pulled guns on their attackers and got shot. So it's happened at least a few times, but more likely? Also maybe I'm a little biased by the fact that I'm not retarded, but if I've got a gun and the element of surprise, the chances of my attacker killing me are very, very little.

Murders might happen more often in homes with guns because the weapons are accessible, or maybe it's because the type of people who own guns for self-defense are the same type who're way more likely to use them. I told you before, though you dismissed it, that I'm probably never going to own a gun. I don't really agree with most people who own guns. But I do think they have the right. I'm not likely to move in with some zany NRA chick, either way, so I probably don't have to worry about a wife shooting me.

And just because it's easier to use a gun, that doesn't mean guns make it happen. Isn't Washington DC gun free? Isn't it one of the murder capitals of the world? These are legitimate questions; I'm not really sure.

And guns being so easy to use that kids kill people with them is a silly point. Obviously if you leave your gun sitting loaded in your dresser in a house with kids you don't deserve one.

Most people who commit crimes get their guns by illegal means. EVERYONE has a gun where I live, fucking everyone. Most of those are stolen or illegal, no one wants to carry something that can be traced back to them. If I have a gun, for protection, because I both work and live in one of the shittest places in america, I think it's my right. Yeah, for 90% of america it makes no sense, but some places it can mean life or death. Until there's peace throughout the land (see: never) it should always be allowed that people can have some weapon to protect themselves.

It's probably hard to understand the need for protection if you've never lived in an area like this. The burbs are safe, here a crack head will kill you for your wallet in a second.

idk i can't really argue this because you'll just reiterate your point that you're core as fuck and none of us rich whitebread mansion owners know what the deal is so you win i guess

there is a huge difference between stabbing someone to death and shooting them. enormous. guns make situations end in death that otherwise wouldn't have.

this is getting so convoluted. kill or be killed situations are extremely uncommon. buying a gun for such a situation and taking on the risks of owning a gun just for that is silly. that's my point. and i'm glad you agree guns don't reduce violence.

your knife mugging point makes sense. i guess you owning a gun (and carrying concealed at this particular time) could end up being a deterrent if everything worked out for the best. but you could also get your gun stolen or shot by the guy with the knife if he moves quick enough. generally you're not aiming your gun at everyone on the street in case they mug you. muggers get to use surprise too.

actually that's exactly what the studies say. the little news items were just part of it. the new england journal of medicine study determined that a gun in the home is associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance. it makes perfect sense to me. people don't rob houses alone and they generally don't rob houses unarmed. are you going to shoot two to three people to death like a fucking ninja or something? that's awfully ambitious.

your next paragraph i completely agree with and i guess we don't even disagree on this at all. maybe people who think guns for self defense in their homes are a good idea are more likely to use them in an argument.

washington DC isn't gun free. gun violence is a huge problem there just like it is in every violent city in america. and DC was the murder capital back in the 90s at times but not anymore.

also my point about kids wasn't really that at all. i just mean that killing someone with a gun and killing someone with another weapon are much different. with a gun you effectively point it, press a button and the person gets shot. it's impersonal and easy. it's a lot easier to rashly kill someone with a gun than a knife or your hands or whatever.

Yeah, I see you have nothing to say.

where is my goddamn poem

roses are red
violets are blue
guns are fun
and so are you

thanks i can always depend on you

depends is a diaper
someone has the runs
theres gonna be a sniper
if you take away my guns

i got my guns
so you'll be hidin'
if i see you vote
for obama and biden

- rush limbuagh

Honestly, you're a stupid wiener if you have a gun and somebody takes it away. When it's concealed and the mugger tells you to take out your wallet, bam. You jump back and shoot out his kneecaps and then curbstomp him and piss on his body.

And yeah, with the element of surprise on my side I'd be really surprised if I couldn't take out two or three armed guys unless THEY were ninjas.

As for the kids thing, I don't see how kids should be able to get guns legally. And no matter how tight we make our gun control laws, illegal guns will be all over the street. Which is one reason a lot of people feel the need to have one in their home.

Anyway, most of the things you're bringing up seem like they would be solved if we stopped putting guns in the hands of retarded people. Sure, some people will find out their wife is cheating on them, run upstairs, grab their gun, and shoot their wife. Even if it's locked up. But what the fuck? That's not what most people do. Those people are fucking psychopaths, and just because a few people do something bad that doesn't mean everybody has to be restricted for it. Are there any statistics saying that most gun violence comes from legally owned guns?

Anyway, I just don't think that it's necessarily stupid to own a gun for self-defense. If I lived in a really terrible place (which I wouldn't), I'd probably have one. I'd probably keep it in a safe enough place, though, that I might not even be able to get it when I needed it.