Accident Prone started this great topic on 404/GD/aw hell, so I thought I would resurrect it.



While both are horrible, I think rape is worse overall, because you have to live with it, plus your family learns of it as well.

Rape is worse because there's still a stigma surrounding rape victims today. It's a memory you have to leave with, and it's an event that's hard to escape socially.

Wait, so, in essence, if a person were to choose between being murdered and being raped, they'd choose to be murdered?

Think on this again.

Yes, this topic is retarded. If you say rape you haven't thought it through at all.

"Worse" wasn't really clarified. Worse emotionally or as in which you'd prefer to happen?

Personally I think that murder is really bad, and if I were to choose, I would die first.

Tt seemed to me in the last topic that most of the people who were saying rape was better were saying it because of murder's finality. They were saying that murder doesn't even matter to you, because when it happens you're dead. That's the entire reason I think murder is worse, though. Humans are an adaptable species, and we can live with almost anything. We can live after being raped, we can lead happy lives, even if we are permanently changed for the worst. But I still think leading an emotionally gimped life is infinitely better than not leading a life at all.

You would honestly rather die than have a penis up your ass?

Either your priorities are entirely screwed up, or you are kidding yourself

Rape is worse because you've got to keep on living and trying to move past what happened to you, when you're dead you're dead.

I'd prefer murder since, being raped is probably one of those things I'd never be able to move past.

Rape has the psychological effects. Especially when a child is raped, then their chances of committing sexual abuse themselves later on is much higher.

I agree with this statement.
There was a talk show on TV about an hour ago my grandmother was watching. In one interview was a lady who was home with her two boys, that she had just put to bed, and her husband was at a meeting. At some point during the evening she was already in bed when the light turned on and there was an intruder who threatened to kill her kids if he didnt have his way. It continued, and she ended up pregnant with the rapist's baby. She went through the issues of being raped and deciding on adoption/abortion. She ended up moving on past the rape and accepted the daughter as her own, who is now 10, and has no negative feeling towards her.

Given she had a living product of the event to be concerned with and she attended a church which offered her constant moral support. Im only mentioning this due to it's relevance to the topic, I don't feel im in any position to know which is worse, I am alive and have yet to be raped.

I'm sorry, maybe you didn't see that the board was called "Intelligent Discussion." I don't know about you, but when I see something like that, I expect there to be debate going on, probably not with people calling other people retarded.



It's not the penis up the ass itself that's the problem, though. Fuck, I could take a cock if worse came to worse. It's the fact that it's totally unwilling, a complete personal invasion, and totally unexpected. You're seriously telling me that if you were just walking down the road to go somewhere, and somebody you never met before in your life just fucking takes you down, starts beating the shit out of you, turns you over and fucks you in the ass, then leaves you there to deal with it, you'd just get up, go "meh," and continue on your way?



You know why this is talk show/newsworthy? Because it doesn't work like that very often. You turn on a talk show, see "I got raped and it sucks," and say "Oh, seen this a thousand times." You see "I got raped, but now I live a happy life with my rape baby," you say "wow, she must be a strong person." Also, did she talk about her husband's reaction at all? If not, for all you know, he might have divorced her and hates the kid because it isn't his.

A. I didn't call anyone retarded.

B. I said given the choice of rape or death, I'd take rape. Not that I'd give in to rape in any situation. Thanks for reading what I said.

Rape is a personal invasion, sure. But murder is the most personal and most final invasion. I'd rather have emotional problems than be dead.

It's hard to say. Generally, I'd say murder is worse, but who knows how someone will take rape?

Worst comes to worst, they'll kill themselves, so the final result can't really be worse than murder.

So...being raped and dieing isn't worse than just dieing?

I gotta go with rape. I feel like I could get passed that but there is no getting passed being murdered. You have a chance of recovering from being raped but what are your chances of recovering from being killed?? ZERO.

Well, in terms of like, badness, they're both equal, just like all crimes.

In terms of which is worse on the person on the recieving end, I don't know that I could really make a blanket statement on that. For some people, the stigma of having been raped and such is less than for others.

All crimes are equal in badness?

Yeah I understand the fact that Hollywood picks the "heroic stories" and plays them all the time as if their common, after all this is what sells these shows to the country. I only posted it as an example, not exactly my position on the subject, other than it varies from person to person. Figured a citation of something I noticed minutes before my original post was relevant. Though for all I know, this particular case was complete bullshit.
Their still married btw.

I didn't really like, express that well, because I'm not particularly good at articulating thoughts and shit, but yeah, that's what I believe.

For instance, is killing one person any less bad than killing two? Not from society's viewpoint, as obviously losing two people is a greater loss than losing one, but if I kill a man in cold blood, am I still an alright guy because hey, at least I'm not Ted Bundy? And hell, Ted Bundy, at least he's no Hitler, am I right? All those cases are the same in that they represent the person committing the crime placing themselves above other people to such a degree that they fuck over other people just to do what they want. They only differ in scale. The impact of the crime on the victims varies, but they're all, you know, bad.

Rape is terrible and all but in time things heal over. Maybe not all the way but eventually the trauma is easier to deal with and your family can be supportive. Being murdered is just the end of everything and you end up causing grief for your family and friends.

why did you bring back one of the worst topics least "intelligent" topics from the old board? this is trash

Needs a more logical, less opinionated approach, people.

What are your chances of emotionally getting over rape and leading a happy, healthy life?

What are your chances of getting over death and living a happy, healthy life?

If you would rather die than suffer for an undisclosed amount of time, you will think rape is worse.

If you would rather stay alive, despite the suffering you will go through, you will think murder is worse.

So, my friends, the question isn't if rape and murder are of different severities, but the real question is "How much do you value your life?"



Good point. If someone really thought rape was worse, they would kill themselves after being victimized.

You say it needs a more logical, less opinionated approach, and then you throw in your opinion thinly veiled as the logical approach. Not everything is held to the standard of "living a happy, healthy life." I agree that murder's worse, but I don't like the way you made it look like the only logical choice, and that people who would rather die than be raped just don't appreciate life. For some people rape is worse, no two ways about it. It's also, as brought up in the other topic, a very different topic for men than for women.


Eh, not really. If somebody really thought rape was worse, they would rather kill their self than be raped. But after it's already happened they're essentially subjecting their self to both, so even a lot of people who think rape is worse than death would go on living.

You die, your life is over. You're raped, at least you have a shot at a life.

Well, my thoughts on this differ on whether it was a man that was raped, or a woman. If a man gets an unsolicited penis up the ass, sure, its traumatic, but nowhere near death. Meanwhile if a woman gets raped, there is the chance of pregnancy. I do believe there is such a thing as a life that wasn't worth living, and the rape may very well bring about one.

Having a friend that was raped and knowing all of the shit that she has been through since, I'm going to say I'd rather be murdered.

I don't quite understand why people think rape is worse than murder... but maybe that's because if I was raped, it wouldn't have the mind-shattering psychological damage it has on some people.

If they get you pregnant and you can't afford an abortion, or you're too religious or something, that surely sucks, though. If you can't afford it, you can get an abortion, at the latest, after (or right before) 3 months, right? That's 12 weekends you could spend on the street selling yourself. I mean shit, it already happened once, might as well make some money off it.

(Too soon?)

Murder's worse, IMO.

They use to include the morning after pill in the rape kits police have but that was pulled when Bush came into office. So the "can't afford abortion" thing might be more common now than it was a few years ago.

Wow, that sucks. Go Bush! Push your beliefs onto the country just because you can! ...As if that's anything new.

That's idiotic. The morning after pill isn't an abortifacient in any sense, and so there's no reason not to include it aside from funding issues, and if you think about where the government's money is going instead it's pretty ironic.

It wasn't p ulled because of funding issues, it was pulled because of moral issues. In any case, democrats have congress right now so that might change, but its a issue way way way down there with the whole Iraq deal.

But that's my point. There's no reasonable cause to pull it aside from funding issues, and since it wasn't then it's totally absurd.

For women maybe. It got him some brownie points with his base.

I was raped last year and it bothers me all the time. I think about it and I hate it. But I know that life has more to offer than rape and other terrible crimes. I can say, as a victim of rape, that I think murder is worse.

Damn that's fucking terrible. I personally don't think it would be cruel and unusual to have all rapists publicly castrated.

Obviously murder. Who are you to go off and kill somebody. But then again, rape is a violation of the body.

While I agree that murder is worse than rape, if you start reading up on the metaphysics of death, there are some really really compelling arguments stating that dying isn't actually bad. Of course, like all philosophical arguments there's just as good arguments oppositely. It's kind of a stalemate.

Pretty hard to say if you haven't tried it.

This post still wins.

I mean, look at how many people rise up and lead great lives after being raped. Look at...Oprah for example.

How many people came back from death? If you're religious, only Jesus, meaning NOT YOU.

It would seem sensible that something that leaves you with a chance to be happy later on, and something that takes away any future whatsoever would not be compared with so much fucking debate.

If you think rape is worse, you are a complete fucking wuss. I don't care if you're a woman, you're a fucking coward who, despite all of the help over a number of years, would just quit at life.

Oprah might have a lot of money and fame and power, but she doesn't seem very happy. I have a feeling she's only doing all the shit she does because she thinks she's some kind of martyr who's helping a bunch of people.

The if you're religious thing isn't such a hot comparison, because in that case you probably think you're going to heaven.

And while rape does leave you with the chance to be happy, it also leaves some people with a completely devastated and warped mind and body. Being fucked up mentally is sometimes worse than death, in my opinion. Madness and mental illness are some of the scariest things possible to me.

I'm not really sure what to say to your last paragraph but llozrolrlzrofl

She may be unhappy because she's got affluenza (stupid name from a documentary I watched once). Generally rich powerful people tend to be less happy because they have nowhere else to go from where they are since they associate rises in power/wealth with happiness they get depressed when they dont' get more. It could also be the lack of empathy most powerful people apparently suffer from as well.

And while the argument that some people are mentally destroyed by rape is fairly valid, they still function at a higher level than a coma patient, which is therefore a higher quality of life than what essentially amounts to living death. There's always the chance that they will one day return to normal.

As usual (Vick topic exempt), Usurper is correct but harsh. I cannot comprehend wanting to die rather than live with the after-effects of anything short of being a quadriplegic or breathing through a tube. He said it before, but why not...

With rape, you have a (varying due to your mental state) percent chance to lead a normal, happy life. This is abstract. Whatever life you had before and want to have, rape in no way prevents you from doing it once you get over your psychological issues.

With murder, you

That's right. Nothing. Why is this such a debate?

Because Dei is going to call the waaaahmbulance when she reads my previous post.

Has anyone considered the possibility that they may be equally bad? Surely we can agree that they're both heinous and shouldn't happen. Who's to say if being raped is any better or worse than being murdered?

Is that honestly your only argument for every topic? Every post I see "Who is to say what blah blah?"

We are to say. The people with opinions. The people with common sense.


So yes, the ending of a life, which is permanent if you didn't know, is worse than any physical or mental scarring caused by rape. Which isn't necessarily permanent.

It's pretty retarded how almost nobody in here seems to accept that things affect different people differently. Just because you might be raped and go to to work the next day with nothing new but a sore butthole, that doesn't mean other people could react anywhere near that well, or that they're weak for not being able to.

It's just a matter of opinion, it's not something you can really debate to a close with logic. Would you rather be killed or have your arms and legs cut off? I'd rather be killed. Does that mean I'm weak? Would you rather be killed or lose your mind? I'd rather be killed. Maybe I'm weak. For me, though, rape would be lame, but I'd get over it pretty quickly.

Good question.

ASK A DEAD PERSON.

Because we all know that "different" always means "right", in case you didn't know.

The reason we're saying that murder is worse is that no one recovers from murder, whereas many strong people have recovered from rape. When comparing two terrible events, the first thing we must consider the mortality rate, which is obviously 100% in the case of murder. Yes, there are things worse than death, but not things that thousands of people get over. Millions of people get raped in their lifetimes, and that's not exactly correlating to mass suicide, so we're okay.