QUOTE(Zebrahead @ Jan 2 2008, 06:44 PM)

Enough. You made your point already, no need to state it again. We all get how you feel.
Thats not enough to shut me up.
QUOTE(Da Bears @ Jan 3 2008, 08:16 AM)

LoL Aenima...you said the only reason they are good now is because of the cheating?
I hate the patriots, with a passion. But I know a good team when I see one. If you think recording a teams first half defense is going to give them that huge of an advantage you're an idiot.
That's what an offensive coordinator does, he reads the defense in the first half and makes adjustments. A tape of the first half isn't going to make a huge difference, they can't watch the first half during half time. Not to mention most of these coaches are pretty smart and don't need a recording to read a defense. Also, all week long people watch tapes on each other....so having a tape during the game isn't going to change much.
Even I can see the patriots are clearly an elite team in the NFL and without cheating they'd still be the number one contender. And even if they hadn't won any superbowls, people still would want to play under Billy Boy, because that's the kind of respect he gets on his team and that's why that team has a great attitude.
I never said its a huge advantage. But its more than enough for Tom Brady to get your team into field goal range. They never dominated anyone. Always won the most imprtant games, (including all 3 super bowls) by 3 goddamn points. How many on last second field goals? And most of them against the same teams, so playing them during the season and again during the playoffs? No coach changes all their calls during the season. As it is some of them have hundreds of plays. It would take forever, near impossible. It'd be like learning sign language in just a couple weeks.
So then they won 3 Super Bowls, and have this badass reputation. Of course everyone wants to play for them, they (cheated to) win. Players like Seau decide not to retire, players like Moss take a million dollar paycut and finally shut the fuck up and play... so yeah, they're good now, and dont have to cheat, anymore, but who would with that roster?
Built by cheating; fitting for the team called the "patriots."
Thats actually really funny, now that i think about it. I like that line.
As for Bellichick, he's a goddamn cheat, plain and simple. If that earns respect, then hey, like i said, he's a "patriot" alright. And just like in all other aspects, the rest of the country just sits there and takes it. Its an insult to all coaches that he won coach of the year, especially after being fined like he was and what for. But, like i said, no one says anything and just takes it.