Yeah, because we all know that losses determine how good a team is or what team deserves to be in the BCS, right Bears? Didn't you learn anything from Hawaii? How many losses you have means nothing to me -- if you don't play anybody the entire season, it doesn't matter. Hawaii played two teams with a winning record the entire season and they were blown out against Georgia, so I expect a lot of the same out of Kansas tonight. Maybe they'll prove me wrong.

When it comes down to Illinois and Michigan in conference play, Michigan's losses were both against teams we handled when they were #4 and #1 respectively in the polls, with one being on the road.

As for Missouri getting knocked out, ask the BCS system you're constantly defending how it happened.. It's not like it hasn't hapened before; Kansas State in '98 were undefeated and ranked #1 before they lost in the Big 12 Championship game. They didn't even end up in the BCS game.

I think we both agree that Missouri should been in, just which teams they should have jumped.

Zebrahead mentioned that Georgia should played USC. Well, they probably would have if it wasn't for Pittsburgh beating West Virginia at the end of the year. If West Virginia would't have lost, it probably would have went:

West Virginia vs. Ohio State in the National Championship.
LSU vs. Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.
Georgia vs. USC in the Rose Bowl.

West Virginia losing knocked them down to the Fiesta Bowl, putting LSU into the championship game. Since the Sugar Bowl is required to pick an SEC team, they were forced to pick Georgia. That left an open spot in the Rose Bowl for Illinois. I'm pretty sure that's how it went down, unless someone knows differently.

The only reason Illinois made it in was because all the rest of the teams had three losses as well, and the Rose Bowl wanted a Pac-10/Big Ten matchup.

And wow, Kansas won. Didn't expect that.

I really don't think so, but whatever.

Congratulations, Kansas.

Listen, you honestly can't beleive Illinois deserved to be in there over Mizzo or Kansas.

Kansas had one loss! Mizzo had two to the same team! Illinois was NEVER IN THE BCS TALKS! This isn't rocket science. And honestly people, will you stop bringing up the BCS flaws from 10 years ago, it's a new system and they have modified it drastically in the early years. I'm not concerned with when 98 Kansas or when 01 Oregon got screwed. Unless we're talking about the BCS within the last 4 or 5 years, you're arguments don't mean shit because the BCS has been modified since then. Also, where were all the playoff talks before the BCS system? The old ways of determining national champions was a lot shittier than the BCS.

Illinois lost to Mizzouri at the begining of the year Kyle, that automatically trumps Illinois if their records were equal...which they weren't, Mizzo had a better record! That's the final argument, no excuses made.

And are you honestly trying to compare the strength of schedule of Hawaii to Kansas? Please tell me you're joking. Hawaii's best team they faced was Boise, which to be honest aside from their brilliant performance last year, they are at best an average team.

Kansas had one loss to the number two team in the country. They play in the BIG 12, not the WAC....granted they are on the weaker side of the big ten but that still includes Kansas State, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State. These teams are on a different level than Hawaii faces. Kansas going 11-1 in the Big 12 is just as good as a team in the BIg 10 having 1 loss. Those conferences are identical on many levels.

And now everyone, which is going to piss me off, is going to rip on Hawaii and say they messed up the BCS and never deserved to be there. Listen, it wasn't the national championship game, it was just a BCS game. So Hawaii getting into that isn't that big of a controversy. IT was clear they deserved a shot at a BCS game and most of the public seemed to agree with that. Remember I WAS THE ONE who said they shouldn't be there because of their schedule, but at the same time I understood why they were there. Now that they lost everyone is mad at them...they deserved their shot, and now they blew it, move on, don't make fun of Hawaii.

So no, I didn't learn anything from Hawaii. I still beleive their shot at a BCS game was well deserved and the outcome wasn't surprising to me.

Seriously.

Mizzou DEF. deserved some BCS consideration. They at least fought with Oklahoma.

Illinois were in discussions.



It has nothing to do with the system being modified. Teams that do bad in their conference championship games either don't make the BCS or fall to a lesser bowl, which is your answer to why Missouri didn't get in.



When did I compare the schedules? As far as schedules go, Kansas faced four weak teams to begin their season and never even played Texas or Oklahoma. The only real challenge they faced (pre-BCS) the entire regular season was Missouri, a game they lost.

Illinois' victories over Penn State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State were better than any win Kansas got over the regular season, and I don't see how you can argue that. It's not good when Texas A&M is your best regular season win, Bears.




How was it "clear" they deserved anything? They tore up the WORST STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE in college football with a five star quarterback, how hard is that supposed to be? I wouldn't be surprised if every team in the Top 25 went undefeated with the schedule Hawaii played, hell maybe the top 30 or 40. Even with Hawaii going undefeated, anyone watching the games (not the ESPN talking heads) could tell you that Hawaii was overrated. They needed OT to beat Louisiana-Tech, they need OT to beat San Jose State, and they needed a major comeback just to beat the worst team in the Pac-10 at home. They were in over their heads and Georgia proved it.

I don't even hate Hawaii. I just hate the fact that everyone's cursing Illinois while they play a sad song for Hawaii simply because they were America's darling.

I don't feel bad for Hawaii at all. They sucked ass and were steamrolled even harder than the Illini.

I still think Hawaiia deserved a shot. They were still undefeated and if they didn't get to a BCS bowl game it would have been non stop bitching, bitching by the same people who are mad they got in. It's funny how the public can just switch sides, first it was Hawaii deserves a shot at one of the BCS games, now it's they never deserved to be there.

Atleast this matchup will shut people up. ANd also, in all honesty I think Georgia is clearly the better team, but I still think Hawaii could beat. Hawaii was pretty flat. Just because it's an ass kicking in a game doesn't mean that team was totally outclassed. It just means they didn't execute that day as well as the other team. Like I said though, I think Georgia is the better team, I just expected more from Hawaii.

Look at VA TEch and LSU at the start of this season. LSU smashed VA-Tech.

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhh GAME DAY! WOOOT!

Grab a fucking case of beer Grimes! It's time to get fucked up and scream obscenities at the teli!\

Edit: As a ritual I've watched this video every day for the past month or so...it's my daily training...I'm so sad..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xtI3dauwfIg

Best video on youtube period...

I think Hawaii could have won as well on a better day, but yes, Georgia was a better team. It reminds me of the National Championship last year...the Gators were a better team than the Buckeyes, but Ohio State could have won the game as well if they had more of an on game.

lolbuckeyes

lol buckeyes

they are becoming the BCS version of the Jim Kelly era Buffalo Bills.

More like Stoops.

God I hate my life, hopefully I wake up from the pill binge I'm about to endure.........

OSU does it again!

Maybe you cocky bastards should drop the "The" from the stickers. I saw a window sticker saying "The Ohio State Univeristy" instead of just "Ohio State University". You think you're so much better that you deserve a "The"? Fuck you.

That's our name. It has nothing to do with thinking we're the shit. The official name of the university is "The Ohio State University".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Oh...tate_University

It has become a running joke to emphasize "the".

Shut the fuck up and do some research before you start calling us cocky bastards.

Yea! What Grimey boy said!

And I can't even say anything but damnt once again.

I thought the D came to play after the first 3 and out. It was another Illinois-esque game. Their QB's didn't throw up staggering amounts of completions or yards...but they had the high number of TD's. As if scoring were easy....ugh.

Note the smiley. I really don't give a shit. Just giving you shit for losing.

Yea I was about to get angry then I noticed the smiley and figured you were just fucking with us.

ALso, I do have one bitchy comment on the game....maybe I was hammered, but that roughing the kicker call was fucking bullshit. OSU fucked themselves with penalties. Or that 15 yard late hit call on teh sidelines....that call didn't even make sense.