Bowls are announced, here's the BCS games:

BCS Championship - Ohio State vs. LSU
Rose - USC vs. Illinois
Sugar - Hawaii vs. Georgia
Orange - Virginia Tech vs. Kansas
Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. West Virginia

Ducks made the Sun Bowl vs. South Florida, should be pretty good, even though El Paso sucks. Missouri drops all the way to the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas, Arizona State goes to the Holiday Bowl against Texas.

'Grats to Illinois for making the Rose Bowl, that should be fun. I hope Hawaii knocks off Georgia too for sheer comedy.

Great to see Illinois back in BCS games. After the embarrassment that's gone on the past few years, the Rose Bowl's one hell of a accomplishment. I hope the layoff doesn't kill us.

I'd also like to know how Missouri got in over Kansas.

Other way around, you mean.

Kansas had a better conference record.

Everyone can now get to see the greatness of local product Arellious (sp?) Benn, soon to be top 2 draft pick and Heisman candidate.

And it's always a great thing to have an excuse to say Juice Williams.

JUUUUICE!!! I'd love to see Illinois take down a healthy USC. Here's hoping for a great game.

It's looking like the media will be favoring LSU over OSU, and I'm hoping LSU gets hyped the fuck up from now to then, because I think that was definitely one factor last year.

I hope Hawaii gets blown the fuck out.

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Why the fuck is it VT vs. Kansas? Everyone had been predicting VT and WV. Oh well, I can't wait.

And I really hope Hawaii gets blown out, for no particular reason.

Bullshit, since Arizona State deserved the Fiesta Bowl.

ASU should've gotten the bid over Hawaii. Simple solution for an unnecessary problem.

I think I'm the only one pulling for Hawaii. I love their spread offense and how far they've come as a team in such a short span of time.

because WV choked and so I could make fun of Delita on Facebook.

I want Hawaii to whoop ass as well. For those reasons, and to create another Boise St. situation. Only undefeated team, with everyone ahead of them possibly having 2 losses, yet no mention of a nat'l title. Go Warriors.

It's one of those situations where difficulty of schedule does come into play though. You can't honestly call a team that plays a bunch of weak opponents with very little national recruitment power better than a one- or two-loss program battling for a win, week after week. No, we don't have a right to assume that just because they're an unknown they aren't better, but if you're going to have a National Title game for the best two teams in D-I college football, you're gonna have to base it on more than just their W-L record.

Predictions:

BCS Championship - Ohio State vs. LSU (34-14)
Rose - USC vs. Illinois (30-27)
Sugar - Hawaii vs. Georgia (48-21)
Orange - Virginia Tech vs. Kansas (14-10)
Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. West Virginia (27-21)

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not upset. The bullshit of it is though, they played their schedule, and big name schools dropped out on them. That's why the BCS is flawed. I agree with the SoS reasoning, due to the sheer number of teams. But at the same time, it basically says fuck you to every lesser-conference school who could have a legit shot. If Hawaii destroys Georgia, then I think it's possible that they could have been considered a Contender. At the same time, Why does the undefeated season mean so much less than losing to unranked schools, as many of the top 10 have done this year? They should be ranked higher at least. Number 10 for an undefeated season is showing no respect.

Having the 117th weakest schedule out of 119 times teams is why they get no respect.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm proud of what our Hawaiin brethren have accomplished this year. But the matter of fact is that the top 4 teams from the SEC, the Big Ten, PAC 10, and hell even the Big 12 could have easily run the table with a schedule that week. You can't deny the facts.

I think it's great what Hawaii is doing right now. Not to mention they have FLorida schedule next year at the swamp. But you can't just simply say oh I had one year out of many years of football in which I was undefeated and I didn't play anyone great but I still deserve to play with the ranks of the cream of the crop. It just can't happen. If they beat Georgia, congrats. If they beat FLorida next year and end up only having 1 loss, then let them play in another BCS game....but seriously...117th weakest schedule out of 119 teams.

ANd I know it's not their fault that (was it Michigan? I forget) teams dropped out on em. THat does suck. But look what's done on paper.

And to all the sports shows that are bitching about OSU and LSU playing...who the fuck else deserved it? OSU definitely had to be in. WHo else only lost one game all year from the group of teams we are choosing from? And that loss being to a team that's #13 in the BCS and going to the Rose Bowl. So don't give OSU shit. ANd the only other debate is LSU of Georgia. LSU beat tennessee in the SEC championship therefore they are in. I think Georgia had a great year but those losses to S. Carolina and Tennessee are hurting.

And I will fucking kill myself if Jacob I'm-A-White-Boy-Running-Back Hester runs all over the OSU defense. This game is totally favored for Ohio State in my opinion. Hester is like Hart...just a guy who likes to pound the ball, no speed or flash. They should murder Hester. Their defense is supposed to be the king of beating smash mouth offenses like LSU. If they lose this...I guess I should say if LSU's offense dominates OHio States defense I'm going to lose a lot of faith in these strong defenses that OSU is supposed ot have every year.

It was Michigan State for sure, possibly others.

And I'm not one to say that the should be in the nat'l title game, which is why I want them to whoop Georgia, as a proving game sort of thing. But at the same time, most of the top teams lost to unranked opponents.

As for deserving, I honestly thing that Va Tech should have gotten some consideration. Their schedule wasn't AS tough, but at the same time, their losses came to still-ranked number 2 teams. LSU, however, had losses against Kentucky (no longer ranked) and Arkansas (unranked).

Yea but VA Tech got absolutely rocked by LSU...

And LSU losses were overtime, 3rd overtime at that when they couldn't get the two point conversion.

I think it's a toss up for that second spot. Could have been VA tech, Georgia, or LSU.

Oh yeah, I realize that. It's a total toss up. But at the same time, this point in the season, I don't think the LSU/Va Tech game would've gone the same way as it did now. Not saying Va Tech would have won. And also: the real screwjob of this is Mizzou. We gotta gree on that.

I defnitely think VA TEch is better now, their defense really stepped it up in the second half of the season.

And as for Mizzouri, like I said to Error Dante on the other topic....

It does suck...but a lot of teams get screwed every year. Wisconsin was ranked 5 or 6 last year with one loss, that loss being to Michigan (who was ranked #2 for most of the season..remember OSU 1 vs MICH 2?) but they couldn't go because no conference can have 3 teams go to a BCS bowl game. That would have been a good enough record to get into the NC game this year.

Mizzouri being ranked number 1, like many people said, wasn't because they earned it, it was because they kind of fell into that spot when they beat Kansas. If they were really the number one team they should have taken care of controlling their own destiny and finished off Oklahoma. It's entirely their own fault. If Mizzo would have gotten in then Kansas fans and many of hte same people advocating for Mizzo now would be doing the same for Kansas. I think it was a toss up, both deserved it. Just because you're ranked one doesn't mean shit untill the last week when its all said and done.

You guys even say pre-season rankings don't mean shit....you know what else don't mean shit? THe rankings of any week but the final standings.

Oh that I know, but with Mizzou's record the lack of recognition is fairly bullshit. This whole "conference limitations" and taking the winners of certain conferences is a bullshit system as it is, and sadly, it's the fundamental basis of the BCS. The Nat'l Championship has rarely shown who is the best in the nation. Occasionally it gets it right, and there's 2 undefeated teams with strong schedules going at it (See 2001/2002 (Miami v. Nebraska and Miami v. OSU respectively, though the Nebraska decision was odd, seeing as Nebraska was No. 4 at the time).

EDIT: Miami was the only undefeated team in '01. My mistake.

I know all you guys say the BCS gets it wrong...but lets be honest with each other.

1. Even if we had a playoff system, that doesn't determine who is the best. THat just allows more teams that aren't worthy of being national champions getting a second shot.(my example if Mich beat OSU this year...they would have been in this playoff system and they weren't worthy of having that chance after losing to Oregon and App St)

2. I'm a fan of the +1 system when it's needed. Like the year when Auburn went undefeated as did Oklahoma and USC...have USC play Auburn after each win their bowl games.


I just don't see how a playoff system determines who is the best. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day when discussing the top 3 or 4 teams in each conference.

If you implement a playoff system you'll still have whiny schools complaining about their team not getting into the playoffs (just like schools do now with BCS bowl game selections).

A playoff system will just increase the chances of the best team losing and getting upset. It takes away from the regular season tremendously. It doesn't settle anything, people will still keep whining and bitching. Atleast now they choose the best two teams which usually seperate themselves from the rest of the crowd and let them play each other.

And like I"ve said many times before, these guys aren't playing basketball, something you could do night in and out. It's football. Their season already takes a whole semester of their lives...now you're trying to tack on another month..that's ridiculous for STUDENTS who aren't even PAID A DIME.

I haven't disagreed with any of the top selections made for the national championship ever.

You guys can't honestly think Hawaii deserves a shot. They got more than what they deserved this year.

The biggest flaw here is the mere quest for one national champion. That's IT, plain and simple. There is NO way to determine who is the single best team fairly. This isn't the NFL where teams are, more or less, pretty fucking equal. Not to mention, there aren't over a hundred teams in the NFL either. What happened to the old days where it was a successful year for winning the Rose Bowl, and that was it?

This is also pretty true.

And again, I'm not saying a playoff is the correct way to do it. But the BCS just does not work. If there were a way to combine, say, a BCS system for seeding, and THEN a playoff system, it may work.

That's what's been said above. The problem will be, who gets to decide which teams are allowed in the playoffs? You won't be able to please everyone, just like how it is now.

If anything, the only thing to make a playoff system work would be to scrap rankings all together. Have conference champions be seeded, as with the NFL. Winner of each conference gets seeded (which essentially already happens in bowl games).

I've thought about this before, too, but it would kind of suck as soon as an SEC team faces a Sun Belt or MAC team. They'd have to organize it really meticulously to still make the playoffs not suck.

I'd like to see hawaii win too. Just because.

Beat the FUCK out of South Florida. God I love it.



GO DUCKS!

1-1 day for the Big 10 so far.

Hell of a game in the Capital One Bowl. Looked like Michigan was gonna give it to Florida, but showed off some of their best playing all season.

Let's go Illini.

Wisconsin should have won, oh well they played well.

Michigan game was fucking specatcular.

Illinois is simply outmatched.

Yea, not even a good game. I'm still shocked how Oregon put so many points up.

Yep, we just don't have the horses.

Kind of seems like our defense gave up after the Willis Fumble/McKnight run also. Oh well, it's been a great season for Illinois. A Rose Bowl birth far exceeded my expectations for this team.

Come on Hawaii

LOL. Good thing they didn't actually play anybody in the regular season, huh?

Jesus. What a pathetic showing, Hawaii. I expected way better than that.

It's not like I expected them to win. I just wanted them to.

They couldn't handle THE SEC SPEED.

Speaking of that comment, god I'm so happy Michigan won, did I mention that? Fuck the SEC shit talkers. Even Tennesse barely scraped past Wisconsin.

So far Big Ten has done pretty well, Michigan St a team that was 3-5 in the big ten, almost beat BC who had two losses on the season and was the ACC's second best.

ANd hahaha at Hawaii. They didn't mix it up enough, or atleast from what I saw. Even Michigan brought out some trick plays against Florida. Braylon Edwards on some of those reverses...he's fast as hell, there's definitely speed in the Big Ten. And Georgia totally outclassed them.

Holy crap, WVU is beating the crap out of Oklahoma. Didn't see this coming.

LOL OKLAHOMA.

God, what a pathetic BCS series. So many mismatches.

How is that pathetic by the BCS?

I thought this was a good matchup, just because one team didn't showup doesn't mean the BCS is pathetic. What's pathetic is how OU's defense couldn't make a tackle. You'd be seeing the same matchups if there were a playoff system.

I thought this was the best matched bowl game aside from LSU OSU and Mich FLorida. I can't beleive Oklahoma played so poorly on defense.

As for Georgia and Hawaii...the media, the public, and even everyone on this board wanted to see if Hawaii was as good as they claimed. So it's no the BCS's fault for putting Hawaii against an amazing Georgia team. That's what everyone wanted to see.

my only gripe with the BCS this year was having Illinois in the Rose Bowl. Since second place in the Big Ten wasn't a 2 loss or better team, I thought a team like Mizzo should have got in.

If there's any team Missouri should have jumped in the BCS, it was Kansas. Not Illinois, we deserved to be there.

No you didn't. You can't say Illini deserved it over Kansas. You guys had 3 losses, Kansas had 1....one loss to the number one team in the nation.

You guys lost to Mizzo. You lost to Iowa. You lost to Michigan.

Kansas only suffered one loss, granted Illinois had a tougher schedule this year...Kansas still only had one loss. When I think Rose Bowl now days I think you should be a top 6 or 8 team. Illinois didn't even deserve to be in the rose bowl if you look at standings of the Big Ten. They were tied for 2nd with Michigan...

Let's see....Michigan lost to Wisconsin and OSU....Illini to Iowa and Michigan...I think Michigan's losses were better, not to mention they beat Illinois with the tie breaker.

Kansas was what? 3 when they lost to Mizzo? How is it fair that a number 3 team would drop out of a BCS game and the top 10 if their only loss was to the top team in the country at the time....(maybe Mizzo was 2nd I don't recall but my point is still valid). How is it fair that Mizzo after being 1, they lose to Oklahoma and are STILL in the top ten and still don't get a BCS game....because only 2 teams from each conference can go...that's why. If that rule wasn't there, Mizzo should have been in over Illini.

And I Know the Rose Bowl is about Big Ten vs Pac 10, but let's face it, times are a changing, and people want to see the best matchup. The Rose Bowl every year determines who will finish 3 or 4 in the final rankings....

Like last year, it was clear Michigan deserved to be in the Rose Bowl. There was a clear cut 2nd place team in the Big Ten. But since OSU was back in the National Championship, that doesn't mean the next team in line should be going to the ROse Bowl from the Big Ten, it should be the next team that is deserving.

And I'm definitely not biased on this, I am pro big ten more than anything. I do kind of agree with you...the team AFTER Illinois that Mizzo should have jumped is Kansas.

Illinois shouldn't have been there. Georgia or Missouri should've been playing USC.

I think it should have been Mizzo, if that stupid only 2 teams from a conference can go rule was gone.

I think Georgia deserved what they got. They may have been playing at a high level, but key losses early in the season hurt them. Hawaii deserved a shot at a big name team and they got it. That bowl game worked out fine for me. Just because Georgia romped them doesn't mean the BCS is at fault...it answered a lot of questions peoeple have been asking.

Seriously, Illinois had three losses.....like even I can say FLorida is better than Illinois and Florida had three losses as well.

I dunno, Florida lost to Michigan too. They were a team that went through Tebow and nobody else.