out of dems i want obama, but out of them all i say mccain

Yeah, that I am. And since McCain is going to win this election, it's a pretty good thing for Israel.

McCain is cool, but fuck Israel. We don't need to babysit them, and pretend they're better than the rest of the region because they're not Muslim.

Obamarama

barack the vote

Wow, that was a very narrow-minded response. We support Israel because we have a long history with the country. I might also add that Israel was attacked partly in previous wars simply because THEY WEREN'T MUSLIM (BUT JEWISH).

Israel is a democracy.

Many Israeli citizens have ties to the United States (citizenships/family).

We don't babysit them, we are longtime allies. Also Usurper, with that statement, you sound kind of like your favorite candidate Ron Paul (who made similar comments in a previous debate).

Well fuck you right on back.

I had a long response in mind, but instead of pointing out facts whose sources I'm too tired to dig up, let me ask you a question: What part of US-Israel relations do you find to constitute babysitting?

Maybe it's the shitload of money and weapons we send over to them for "strategic" (ex: killing Muslims) purposes.

Post WWII is such a long history compared to the 220 years with Western Europe.

Perhaps they were attacked because we decided to take sides in an age-long conflict, and give a huge advantage to the underdog.



So?



We can say that about almost any fucking country on the planet.



My favorite candidate is Barack Obama.

Usurper, to sum up Israeli policy as simply "killing Muslims" is disingenuous.

I'm cool whether Obama or McCain wins, myself.

I know they have an obligation to defend themselves, but their treatment of Palestinians reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment.

Is that so? You think the Palestinians live in a prison?

I think you should consider that most of the portion of money devoted to military goes to the training and supplying of the navy, the air force, the intelligence, the artillery corps, and the infantry. Apart from a few separate incursions and a small number of air strikes against known terrorist targets, very few military actions have been taken in the last few years against the Palestinians in the west bank and Gaza. Notice that what you hear about in the news is sometimes the cutting of power, sometimes misbehavior of troops at roadblocks, and very very seldom the kind of attack I mentioned above.

I think you should consider that Israel is a proclaimed ally of the USA, smack in the middle between Arab forces - Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and to a lesser extent Egypt, Iraq and Jordan; and it's very close to Iran.
Most of the cash given is routed to be prepared for battle against these forces. How would the USA look, or feel, should the battle begin and Israel would be unprepared due to lack of resources (and contrary to popular belief, Israel is not a rich country)?

Killing Muslims for the sake of killing Muslims was never, is not, and will never be on Israel's agenda. Over one fifth of Israel's citizens is Muslim (and that's quite an electoral power, if nothing else). Israel's sole care is eliminating terror - and terrorists, protecting its population.

Why aren't you asking where the $7.4bn given to the Palestinians went?

Fuck Israel and the rest of the middle east.

Seriously Look what happens when we mess around in there.

yeah man lets just smoke some more weed and vote republican that will fix everything

As opposed to smoking more weed and voting democrat

PROCEEDS THE WEEDIAN, NAZARETH

or smoking weed and voting LOLiberterian

At least that would be logically consistant, because libertarians would support the end of the War on (some) Drugs

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich might lose their seats in congress because of the time they wasted running for President.

or the Canada party. Oh, wait, there isn't one. Let me just make a "Which 08 candidate are you supporting for Prime Minister? Hockey or Beer?"

We don't vote for the Prime Minister

Ralph Nader is running again

rejoice

HAHA Told ya Hillary wasn't gonna make it.

Woop, I was wrong. The good kind of wrong.

It looks like the Democratic primary is going to drag out to the very end.

This is good for McCain and not good for whoever wins the Democratic nomination.

Obama is going to win the nomination, but only after Hillary fights tooth and nail in her ongoing campaign to demolish his image. She recently said (I can find the article if you'd like) that she and McCain have the experience to be president, but Obama doesn't. She'd rather have McCain win if she can't.

It's like he knows.

Anyways - after the dabates last night, from what I saw, and the happenings of the past couple of weeks, there is no way in hell Clinton is getting my vote.

Ugh.

I hate Hilary. If Obama was in her position, we'd be like "That's an awesome run for the new guy", and he'd just try again in 2016.

Hilary is like, what? 130 delegates behind? She'd need to win like 75% of the remaining popular vote to tie. I don't like this bullshit idea of taking it to the convention, in which a group of 200 or so superdelegates have the opportunity to give the middle finger to the people.

Hillary is the better candidate though.

I agree in terms of winning the election. Hillary has more of a chance with swing voters. Obama's supporters are the ones that will vote democrat no matter who is running.

That is so incredibly wrong.

Then prove me wrong. We all know Obama supporters are waaaay over to the left.

I think the longer the Democratic primary drags out the less chance either candidate has of winning swing and moderate voters. The DNC has really fucked things up by punishing Florida and Michigan so harshly for pushing their primaries up.

... We are?

She's good, but I don't see any evidence of her being better.



No, just further left than Clinton supporters. I hope you're not complaining about democrats being liberal.



Florida and Michigan were told in advance what was going to happen, and they did it anyway. When they got the chance for a re-vote (It's not democracy when your choices were "Hillary" and "Undecided), they fucked up. I want the people's votes to count, but no one can get their shit together. Now, you have Hillary supporters wanting to keep the current election results because it would narrow the gap.


This election is going to the convention, and there's going to be hell to pay if the person in the lead doesn't win. :-/

I know it wouldn't be fair to count them as they stand, but what I'm arguing is that they shouldn't punished them hardly in the first place. RNC were smart enough to let their votes count for something, albeit with reduced delegates. Also another problem is that they have completely disenfranchised the voters in those states and more than likely will not be able to carry them during the general election.

Dean has done a real disservice to Obama, Clinton, and the party.

What?



Just admit that Obama supporters are hardcore democrats, there's no shame in that.

I have no party affiliation, and am not WAYYYY to the left?

I don't think the damage will be as big as we're making it out to be. What will be people do? Vote Republican? Not vote at all because they didn't get a say in the primary?

Republicans are having the same problem. Remember that when McCain "won", there were still many states left who didn't get to vote. Those voters don't appreciate a decision being made before they get their say, and they feel like (as with the democrats) if they voted earlier (for Giulianni, Romney, or Huckabee, for example) then the resulting momentum would lead to a different outcome.



Then hardcore democrats would appear to be the largest group.


If you're looking at cold, hard numbers , Obama wins.

I guess Obama won't need anyone else

I disagree. Obama is the first candidate I have ever seen that's garnering votes from both independents and lifelong Republicans, ie my family, who all but me are conservative Republicans and are backing Obama for the election. He's easily one of the most uniting candidates in the entire race.

Anyway, I'm heavily pulling for Obama, but at this point I think the dems are just shooting themselves. One of the two candidates needs to concede, because right now all they're doing is selling McCain for him. They lost Florida and Michigan, major swing states, for sure. Sure, it's the states' own fault, but the voters had nothing to do with it and will likely vote Republican out of contempt for being cheated out of a primary vote. I probably would if I lived there.

Don't worry, once the Republicans drudge up and hammer away at the fact that he has one of the most liberal voting records in the senate most of that uniter crap will polish off. Actually alot of has with the whole Wright controversey, at least the transcending race bullshit.

This is a big reason why I have such a problem with him at this point, he needs to get over the fluff when he picks up the nomination.

The pendulum is turning back to the liberal side, though. People are incredibly unhappy with Bush, and I think they realize that McCain represents more of the same. Having a liberal voting record could look very good for Obama at this point...certainly better than the fact that Hillary voted for NAFTA (several times) despite saying she opposes it.

I agree, it is the Democrat's to lose this year. I don't see how voting for NAFTA has been a strike against Hillary, she pretty much has the union vote tied up. Getting rid of NAFTA would be foolish considering we get the majority of our oil from Canada and it would burn them in the ass and sour our relationship with them.

Yesterday, Obama added 4 delegates to his lead, with a slight overall victory between Indiana and North Carolina.




Oh, God, Clinton supporters are full of shit.

No joke.

I really wish Hillary would just realize that she's out of time and withdraw, even if it comes down to SuperDels. CNN made a good point last night, that being how can SuperDels ever justify taking away the nomination from a guy who has won more states, won the popular votes, and won the delegates?

Don't buy it. I saw a stat on CNN last night...when the Republican nomination was so close in 2000 between Bush and McCain, a bunch of McCain supporters said they'd vote for Gore over Bush and vice-versa, and when the general election rolled around 98% of the people who said that voted for Bush. Once the losing candidate starts backing the winner that bitterness will fade.

I think the only people who won't vote for their party's nominee are Ron Paul supporters.

But who gives a shit about those obsessive cultists. Most of them voted for the libertarian or constitution party in the past election presidential election. I also suspect some of them are lapsed democrats too who won't be hurting that party at all.