No, no one's responding because they've got nothing to say. Believe me, you assholes always let loose if you have something to say. its just, well what can you say?

Go post more bulletins about your pics and myspace shit, little im gay.

I don't get what we are arguing about.

And as for no one really talking about this topic or responding to the topic and posts regarding the topic, it's because who gives a shit?

I think we've all stated our opinoins on the Pats. They've been the talk of the NFL all year. They aren't fun to talk about....seriously that team is just ridiculously stacked.

In fact, if the Pats didn't go undefeated it would be fucking pathetic.

There whole o-line is going to the pro-bowl ( i might be exaggerating a bit, but most of them are)

Their two RB's are solid, Maroney is fucking underrated, he's a beast.

Their WR's are gods in WElker, Moss, and Stallworth (seriously...STallworth used to be a #1 WR, now he's a #3)

THeir defense has a super star at every position....

They should be killing people like they are, it's no suprise. It's not amazing what they are doing, it's fucking expected.

I for one hope they lose, I'm tired of the Pats getting all these 5 star athletes at half the price just so they can play for NE, it's not fucking fair. Those players playing on any other team would be way over the salary cap, but for some reason all these asshole athletes are playing for less money just because it's the pats. Yea I know, I'm being a hypocrite because we all say athletes shouldn't be playing for the money, but god damn the pats are way too fucking good and it's getting on my nerves.

You're all just jealous >_>

The Pats will probably totally suck again when they lose a few major players.

Holy hell, you finally figured it out, and it only took you an additional 4 days. Nobody gives a shit. Great job, gold star, end o'discussion.

You should have read my post.

Im not saying the pats arent good this year, or that what they did THIS year was faked or won through cheating. My point is that they cheated to get their previous 3 titles, and now, players that are going to retire or just dont care about the game, suddenly want to come back or take that paycut and play for the pats because of those 3 titles. So now, everyone wants to play for the team thats won 3 out of the last 5 SB's, so its easy for them to get a team full of stars, which will make them serious contenders for the next 3-4 seasons.

And everyone seems to have so conveniently forgotten how they CHEATED (I have never heard of another coach being fined like that) when Barry Bonds is mentioned in every Sportscenter.

And someone tell the DJ Qualls he doesnt get to close this topic, so, not over.

I disagree with this point. If the Pats are an lite team with a built reputation for winning, and an athlete places winning above money, why wouldn't they sign with them? Peyton Manning has taken several paycuts to stay with the Colts, as did Jerome Bettis to play in Pittsburgh. You'll find plenty of players taking paycuts to either stay with or go to a legit contender. The Pats are just the best at capitalizing on that. If I were an NFL front-office type and I ran a team with Tom Brady at QB, I'd do everything I could to surround him with weapons, too, especially after he won three Super Bowls without them.

I know what I'm saying is wrong. I said that in my post, normally you get mad when people get too much money. And it is a great thing that they have brought that high reputation and discipline to their team. It's what you would expect from every team.

I'm just not too fond of the players that it's happening too. Tom Brady is from Michigan. I just don't like Bellichek, not necessarily for the cheating, but just something about him I don't trust. That whole fued he has with the jets coach gets on my damn nerves. Don't like their defense (SEymour blasted Carson in the knee 3 years back when the bengals were playing them strong and driving to take the lead, on a side note...I never really hated the steelers until van ol fag blasted Carson in his knee in that playoff game). Clearly I'm jealous by the way if you haven't noticed...there just too good.

Like other sports team dynasties have ruled, attracted talent and what not....but the respect that the pats get is different, they are so intimidating, and I am just tired of them being this good.

Lol Bengals.

As I recall, Jon Kitna played a fantastic game in that playoff game vs the Steelers and the Bengals were actually leading at the half. They would have lost, Palmer or no Palmer. In fact, their record against each other since the Bengals have had Palmer and the Steelers have had Roethlisberger is 6-2 Steelers.

Carson bombed his first pass 55 yards to Henry and then got hit. Kitna didn't play anywhere near a fantastic game. It was alright, but not what they needed and were getting out of carson that year. They were only up by 3 at half...

Edit: kitna's stats were sub-average/par 24 of 40 passes for 197 yards with one TD and two interceptions.

And dont' say they would have lost with or without palmer. With Palmer they were lighting up the steelers and every other team that year. The Steelers won 31-17...I guarantee you with Carson on the field they could have put up 31 points.

And people don't realize how many players the Bengals have lost to injuries, and there has been a ton lost to misconduct, but that's the players own fault...but seriously look at the players that have been hurt.....

2 years ago they drafted two linebackers from georgia, Pollack and Udelle Thurman. Thurman was defensive rookie of the year, now he's gone. Pollack (who was the number 11 pick and much better than Thurman) , when he finally started to get playing time and looking great, he broke his neck and I don't even know if he can walk now. This past year I beleive 1-8 or 9 on their depth chart for linebackers were all gone.

They selected Chris Perry from Michigan a few years back, he has been injured every year. They picked up Kenny Irons from Auburn who was looking pretty phenomenal, and he tore his ACL in the preseason this past year on his first run which he broke away for over 10 yards and juked the hell out of like 3 defenders.

Chris Henry, probably the most talented receiver on the team wasn't playing for the first 8 games.

Thye had a defensive lineman in Geathers playing linebacker. They had to pick up Anthony Schlegel, a great Ohio State linebacker, but shouldn't be starting in the professional level.

Their offensive line I'm pretty sure rarely had all the starters on the field.

It's hasn't even been fun to watch the Bengals in the last two years. Even though their records have been better than the usual bengals, it's just a shame you can't watch your team compete to the best of their abilities. Marvin Lewis has to crack the whip when it comes to discipline, the rest is just bad luck when it comes to injuries.

Because those wins were acquired through cheating. Thats no better than being lied to.

How many times did the Pats advance on a last minute field goal, not to mention EVERY super bowl. Those playoff wins were against the same teams, usually Pit or Indy, so you know they had their film. Bellichick is totally overrated, Dungy is a far better coach, to name just one.

The Bengals split the series with Pittsburgh that year, and their win was by a TD, (final score 31-38) while Pittsburgh's was by two (final score 27-13). The Steelers and Bengals finished with the same 11-5 record. Enough to make the playoffs, but neither were "lighting up every team," Pittsburgh just got hot rolling into the playoffs.

Also, Kitna made a lot of great scrambles for first downs that game. He had me worried until Roethlisberger put the game away. Besides, with Chad Johnson, Chris Henry, and TJ Houshmanzadeh, pretty much any NFL-caliber QB should be able to make something happen in the passing game. The real reason the Bengals lost was because their offensive line was crumbling all day, which is why Kitna had to scramble so much and also why Kimo was able to get to Palmer in the first place.



Who was talking about either of those last two years? I was discussing the season that Pittsburgh beat Cincy in the playoffs...the only time the Bengals have made those playoffs since 1990.

Injuries are part of the game. If you want me to tell you about some shit, the Steelers had some INJURIES last year. Ben Roethlisberger has been hurt at some point every year except for his rookie season. Willie Parker broke his leg before the playoffs. Marvel Smith, the starting left tackle, was out for the playoffs, as was his backup. Trai Essex, a guy who normally plays emergency right guard, was thrust into the left tackle position. Troy Polamalu was out for half the season. They were down to their 3rd and 4th free safety for a 3-game stretch, during which time Polamalu was also out. Santonio Holmes got a high ankle sprain and was out for 3 games, and played hurt in the playoffs. Several of their linebackers were hurt, forcing them to play Lamarr Woodley (who turned out to be very good) and Lawrence Timmons (who turned out to be not so good.) Let's not forget that they lost Joey Porter, too, a big blow to the linebacking corps. They were lucky that James Harrison played as well as he did all year.

Despite all this, the Steelers made the playoffs. They were out in the first round, probably due in part to injuries, but they're a solid enough team to compensate for them. Players get hurt. FRANCHISE players get hurt, even. Marvin Harrison was out for most of the year and the Colts were still the amazing Colts. The Patriots starting tailback for a while was KEVIN FAULK, and they didn't lost a game. A good team can last for a while without their best players.



There's no proof of that. Even if there was, every coach steals signs. Some teams have personnel employed for the specific reason OF stealing signs. Bellichick just cut out the middle man and got a camera.

Also, the majority of coaches change their signs every week. Know why? Because EVERY COACH STEALS SIGNS. I know that a good amount of Steelers players said that they always changed their signs against the Patriots to ones they've never used before, because they knew Bellichick stole signs. The whole league pretty much knew, but they didn't have the evidence to report it. That doesn't stop them from making previous info useless by changing signs, though.

Dungy is not a better coach. He's great, he builds Super Bowl teams, etc. Bellichick built a dynasty from nothing. That, and when the Pats need a comeback, Bellichick calls the plays to give them that chance. I can't count the number of times I've seen the Colts near the end of the game, driving, down by less than a TD, and get stuck in a 3rd and long, at which point Dungy calls for a run or a dump pass. Why? His QB is Peyton Manning, one of the best the NFL has ever seen. Let him make something happen. Bellichick knows what he has in Brady, and isn't afraid to utilize it when he needs to.

MUAHAHAHAH!!! See what happens when thay dont have cameras? Brady cant drive the field at the end of the game to kick a field goal. Fuckin karma. Suck it, patriots. Suck it fuckin hard. Thats all i have to say. Im outta here.

Someone change the topic title to "NVM, 18-1"?

You're a retard.

A retard who kills cats.

What a game, hells yes I am happy.

LOL Patriots.

Also: They did better than what the 72 Dolphins did. End of story. 18-1 > 17-0. 18-0 to get to the Superbowl, on a far tougher schedule, playing the same team not once, twice, but THREE times in a season, you have to give them credit for it.

Yeah, but they're no world champions or anything.

Th Patriots showed who they truly are this game, and that their cockiness puts Mercury Morris' to shame. From the book that was pre-emptiveley written about the 19-0 season to Brady's overwhelmingly smug response to Plaxico's win prediction ("More like 45-42", "Is Plax playing defense?" "We're only gonna score 17 points?" No, actually, you're gonna score 14, but the Giants can put up 17 on you.) to the team trying to trademark the phrases "19-0" and "19-0 perfect season" 3 days before they even played the AFC Championship to Bellichick pouting his way off the field, this is not the classy, disciplined team that ESPN wants you to think it is.

Clown man is right.

18-1 doesn't mean shit. Every player in the league would rather have 6 losses in the regular season and win a super bowl than be undefeated and then lose in the super bowl.

It's impressive and they are a good team, but still, it doesn't mean shit. I don't care if they play more games than the dolphins did, that's not the matter at hand. They didn't win the super bowl so they aren't one of the best teams ever.

Everybody knows the Super Shufflers are the best team ever.

Even though losing the Super Bowl sucked for them, we can't be unfair. 18-1 is an awesome record to have, and the Patriots are still a good team.

As for the links Clown posted...lmao. I'm happy with people realizing that the Patriots deserved the loss.

Everything but the Brady quote has nothing to do with the actual players on the team, their classiness, or their discipline. And Plaxico overestimated his team's score, too. I'm sure it must feel good that the Pats lost because you clearly despise them, but most of what you said is pretty irrelevant.

Eh, I guess I just didn't wanna get into how their defense argues with the ref after EVERY FUCKING PLAY, or how their special teams excessively celebrate mediocre tackles that didn't save a big runback at all, or Brady's smugness (I guess I touched on that one.)

Himura, how is 18-1 > 17-0

I think you're using your inequalities poorly there.

I'd rather be the 72 dolphins than the 2007 Pats any day after the outcome of yesterday.

I agree what the Pats did this year was nice....to go undefeated in the regular season is rather impressive. They had the best offense ever in football.

But similar to other teams that have had explosive offenses (Late 90s Vikings and Rams) they didn't win the Super Bowl this year....so they aren't going down as one of the best teams ever.

All they are is another team that broke records.

18-0 (before the Super Bowl) > 17-0, and the Pats at their best were, in my opinion, one of the best teams ever. Nobody would've beaten them in many of the games where they dropped 40-50 points.

But you have to win the Super Bowl to be considered THE greatest, and they didn't because they got beat by a team that outsmarted and outhustled them. So the Dolphins still have that legacy to hold onto.

and the Giants didn't do that last year with the fucking jumpshot?

He never said they didn't.

BALLIN!

Nobody calls the Giants the classiest team in the NFL.

No one thinks the 72 Dolphins are the best team ever other than the 72 Dolphins.

For real. As I saw it put somewhere "They went undefeated because THEY DIDN'T PLAY ANYBODY. Seriously, look at their schedule that year...they had 3 CFL teams, Appalachian State and the Buccaneers for every other game."

The 96 Bulls have the best regular season record. Are they considered the best team ever? Hell no. Regular reason don't mean shit.

96 Bulls were the best team ever.

>_>

lolno.

96 bulls by far were the best team ever in my opinion (yes I'm a bulls fan)....

Think about it though, basketball was super competitive relative to the shit defense I've seen played in the 80s and before.

not to mention they fucking rolled through the playoffs.

In the playoffs they lost just one game en route to the NBA Finals, sweeping Miami, beating New York in five and sweeping an Orlando

Then they won 4-2 against seattle....seems like a pretty damn good playoff run run to me.

This topic makes me lol.

What team is better? 2008 Celtics?

Except they aren't going to be close to the best record, and they aren't even going to make it to the finals when you see the second half of the season the bulls pull off this year

No team can be the best when it had LUC FUCKING LONGLEY as starting center. Case closed.

I think Jordan/Pippen/Rodman made up for that.

Yea MJ was god. Pippen was a hall of famer himself. And they had amazing roll players such as Kerr/Paxon/BJ Armstrong, HOrace Grant was a double double every game.

All they needed a center for was to rebound with the firepower they had.

And Rodman was grabbing all the rebounds.

Horace Grant wasn't on the 96-97 Bulls.

Very true, I started naming players from their general dynasty...neither was Paxon or BJ Armstrong, sorry about that.

Luc Longley was the shit on NBA Live.

LoL I could imagine.

It seems Belichick has been taping since 2000 when he took over the Patriots.

Their legacy is tarnished in my eyes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Au9P...p&type=lgns

That's all well and good, but I still don't understand why the government has a right to be involved in this.

who names a kid arlen

Hank Hill.