Chokies gave BC the game. Dammit. Both teams played terrible all game and Ryan definitely didn't look like a Heisman candidate.

Wouldn't mind a blowout win against Ball State this week.

Wow, BC pulling through...

Doesn't matter how he looked during the game, it's how you finish them.

Remember Brady fuck face last year against UCLA? Shit game, but had that game ending drive.

Ryan did it twice in like 4 minutes, that's going to help his heisman voting.

But I agree with you Zebra, sucked the whole game. But to his credit, it was a downpour there during the first 3 quarters. When it dried up a bit, that's when he got hot.

While we're on the subject, who do guys like as Heisman right now? If the season ended now I'd go with Andre Woodson.

God damnit that game made me sick. Right to the last two minutes...

Dennis Dixon, especially if he beats USC and ASU.

I think Zebra is in the right area.

It's got to be Dixon or Tebow. Right now it's Tebow, his numbers are better and his losses were so close. Dixon however if he does was Zebra says his team will be in the nat'l champ or atleast in a good BCS game. I was sold on Dixon on his performance against Michigan.

But on the subject, there are also some highly overrated heisman candidates.

Matt Ryan and Andre Woodson. I was looking at Ryan's stats, after last night (OSU still has to play) he only has one more TD than Boeckman and he has 1 more pick. He's got him on yards, but he's also thrown about 150 more passes (boeckman's total passing attempts I think is around 160). So it's not like he's doing anything that great, sure his team is undefeated...but so is OSU, we are number 1. I'm not saying Boeckman should be in the race, I'm saying there are some overrated candidates.

And Andre, with two losses I don't think he should get it either.

Two losses against easily the toughest conference in the nation?

If we're going to mention stats, why not mention Woodson's while you're at it? 26 TD's, 4 INT's, and a 64% completition percentage. All of this against competition like Florida (5 touchdowns, 0 picks), LSU (3 touchdowns, 2 picks), and even South Carolina even though he struggled.

I'm not sure how you can say Dixon's the frontrunner when the only tough teams they've played was a Michigan team who got blown out because they couldn't handle the spread and a California team they lost to a home, a team that's proving themselves to be extremely overrated as each week goes by.

If Dixon beats ASU and USC then he might be the frontrunner, but right now he's third behind Tebow and Woodson. JMHO

I guess I'm not sold on Woodson or any other pocket passer because no one really has that great of stats and is undefeated. That's mainly on Ryan.

I agree with Woodson on his number being great, he had that win against LSU. But he's also lost to Florida and South Carolina. And lets be honest, losses hurt your chance for the Heisman regardless of who your losses are to. The only thing that kept Brady Quinn from the Heisman last year were losses to USC and Michigan....I'd say those were two pretty awesome teams last year. And once again I'm going to look at the attempts of Woodson and Ryan. Ryan has 356 passing attempts, also one extra game. Woodson has 295 attempts. Thta's a shit ton. I'll bring up OSU's QB once again because he's on a team that's undefeated and is number 1. Boeckman has only 183 attempts passing.

I don't know if you guys watch OSU games, but you realize that our starting defense and offense in every game of this season, literally every game, barely plays the second half. If Tressel left Boeckman his stats would be crushing Woodson and Matt Ryan.

I know you guys say overrated and we shouldn't be ranked 1, but we can't help it we are winning and everyone is losing. We started at around 10/11 in the begining of the season, I think we should be around 5, but if all the fuckhead teams infront of the Bucks are losing, then they deserve to be ranked 1. ALso, look at Ohio State's defense right now....they have given up only 4 touchdowns to another teams offense. Two of which were under one minute in the 4th, 10 seconds left in the game against Purdue and 55 seconds left in the game against Washington. These touchdowns are also when our 3rd string players are playing. I'd say OSU's defense has been pretty fucking tenacious.

Can't wait to see what happens at the end of this year because the only decent team they have played is Michigan St.

Impressive, but how far will that get you if you don't play anybody? I don't think they've played a legitimate tough opponent all year.

If they can win these four games, or even three out of the next four then I'd be genuinely convinced.

Oh yea, one more thing to the whole "look who've they've played" argument.

You can't penalize a team or a player who has succeeded but not yet played any tough teams. You simply have to withold judgement untill those teams play their tougher ranges of the schedule.

Kyle, you asked "who has Dixon played aside from Michigan and Cal." Well they played Washington, who is a solid Pac 10 team. So that's 3 teams, not too bad.

I can use the same dumb "who has he played" argument on Woodson....who have they played besides "LSU, FLorida, and S. Carolina." Seriously, they haven't played anyone that great. 4-4 Louisville, who has the worst defense I've ever seen. Arkansas is only 4-3. And Woodson lost 2 of his 3 tough games of the schedule.

I'm just saying the whole "who has person/team x played" argument at this point of the season is stupid because it's not fair to judge people that haven't finished out their schedule.

And it's also stupid because anyone can breakdown a teams schedule and expose the shitty teams and single out the tough matches, not every game is going to be hard. I'd say ORegon, playing USC, CAL, UCLA, ASU, Michigan, and hell even teams like Washington and Oregon State is just as equal if not harder than what Kentucky is enduring.

I agree, if you don't play anyone all year than it's cool with me to bash a team.

And if you're talking about OSU's end of the season with Michigan St, Penn St, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan, yea I'm waiting for them to finish the season before even I'm convinced. Frankly, I'm not convinced, I think Tressel's gameplan is starting to already become archaic, he doesn't punish a team when their down for starters, almost let Mich St back into it this weekend.

OSU was lucky to have so many offensive weapons last year that Tressel had no other option but to spread us out. But he's refrained from it this year.

Iowa beats MSU in double OT.

Neither team really looked bad either. It seems like nearly every game in the Big 10 this year is going to come down to who can outcoach the other side.

Woodson and Tebow are out of the Heisman race, Ducks beat USC and life is good.



Carroll's losing face is a true work of art.

Illinois = Booooowwwwwlllling.

OSU looked pretty solid against Penn State. Would've been happy without the 97-yard punt return against us at the end, but whatever.

Three tough weeks ahead.

LoL yea grimes, I"m tired of our team giving up late TD's...fucking stupid.

And we worked Penn St. Boeckman was amazing, he had that one dumb throw for the pick, but other than that, he's a great QB. He's the reason we went from being a recovery year team to number 1.

Kid doesn't get any props, fuck ESPN an their anti OSU demeanor.

I'd take that over the media blowjob that is USC and Notre Dame. And they really won't let the National Championship debaucle go, this is a new fucking team.

I'm with you on the laying low. That was my plan all along, then everyone started fucking losing.

I hope BC wins out because I'm scared of Oregon and Oklahoma. Bring on LSu and the SEC however. They can suck on my nuts.

Oh yea, did you see the play when Hartline ran that screen for a TD...watch Boone leap frog Hartline in the TD.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...mp;sportCat=ncf

It's like half way through the clip at ESPN.

He's our fucking tackle and he jumped that high, 6-8 313 pounds. ANd he was running down feel blocking like a WR. God I love our O-Line.

I'm surprised no one is really talking about Hawaii this year. They're one the few undefeated teams left, and Colt Brennan is a monster.

Obviously there's a split mentality, is he so good because they play weak WAC teams, or is he legitimately a solid QB?

He's struggled against some really weak teams this year.

He also was injured during his shit streak.

Gameday's coming back to Oregon for the ASU game.

B-O-O-M GOES THE DYNAMITE!

ASU > Oregon

We shall see, we shall see.

ASU looked good against Cal, but that was the first decent team they've played all year and they were injured badly and reeling from two straight losses. The Ducks have passed multiple tests already and the Sun Devils are just the next bump in the road towards the Pac-10 (and national) title.

Too many weeks left to be this cocky, Zeebs.

I'd say Zeebs has good reasons to be happy, let him gloat.

Says the guy with the team that's #1 practically every year.

By the way, I'd love to get a shot at the Bucks in the title game.

I've always been very reserved about my team, and refuse to be the asshole that shoves a success in everyone's face. My biggest problem with college sports today is that class and respect is a dying ideal. I fucking hate the SEC because every victory is "oh our conference is football jesus shut the fuck up world!". You get a lot less of that from the Big XII and Big 10. It's going to exist in every conference with just about every team, because there's always that drunk retard football population, but it's a game.

Cocky isn't the same as happy.

Georgia 4-2 6-2
Tennessee 3-2 5-3
South Carolina 3-3 6-3
Florida 3-3 5-3
Kentucky 2-3 6-3
Vanderbilt 2-3 5-3

SEC East is looking pretty sad if you ask me Grimes...

LSU 4-1 7-1
Alabama 4-1 6-2
Auburn 4-2 6-3
Mississippi State 2-3 5-4
Arkansas 1-3 5-3
Mississippi 0-6 2-7

West ain't anything crazy either.

But oh yea, when an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's because they are all so good...just like when Kentucky, the team that was good enough to run up over 40 points on the "number 1 defense" of LSU, lost to Mississippi State...and Tennessee who was getting smashed by teams this season such as Cal, is now beating S. Carolina and Georgia..

Atleast Big Ten has two undefeated teams, and then a group of teams that are just beating each other like Illinois, Penn St, Wisconsin, Purdue.

Well there you have it. I'm not being cocky, I'm being happy about my team's success because the rest of the country doesn't give a shit about the Pac-10 unless it's USC. And we just knocked them off.

I'm waiting to see what we do against ASU and the other three teams before the real fun begins.

LoL if you or ASU win out, what's going to suck is that they can't make it if BC and OSU make it out. They are saying that OSU and BC are a lock if they win out, that sucks because I think Oregon vs OSU would be sweet. Let Dixon get a shot to bash the Big Ten powerhouses. That'd be a great season for him.

Except, in my best Borat voice, "we will crush you."

If osu wins out I hope we play BC however, a lot less scary.

Us or ASU would probably jump BC. The only two teams I think we wouldn't jump are LSU and OSU.

I don't know, I could maybe see ASU jumping BC.

But with a loss they are skeptical on Oregon. And I think LSU should be jumped by Oregon right now, after all LSU lost to Kentucky who is proving they aren't as good as people though now.

Well, neither is Cal for us, so that's pretty much even.

BC's gonna need help to get into the title game. I think they could be jumped by a few teams, even if they win out, because the ACC is so pathetic.