http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230598,00.html

What do you think of the draft?

Personally, I think the draft should be unconstitutional. Think about this, they are taking away free will. We can't decide whether we will be going to the war with some country we don't care about. If people register themselves then that shows they have the morality, but if they are forced to go to war they won't exactly be too happy, nor will their families.

I myself, I will be registering when I turn 17. But I made that choice. It wasn't forced down my throat, I wasn't given a draft card or sheet. I just personally think that to deal with our own country we must feel safe that other countries won't be attacking. The training I will get, the work I will do, the experience, everything I will gain from this will be amazing. If I die, then I took one FOR THE HORDE!

But seriously, this is very wrong. How can the government force something like this upon its people? In my opinion, this is just one step closer to a totalitarian government.

I agree. Luckily for me, since I'm not interested in being a soldier, I have a medical out from a potential draft.

People didn't think the draft was unconstitutional before. And if they did, we sent them off to fight. Sure, the thing sucks, but I would still go through the lottery if we brought it back.

Its not gonna happen, Rangel thinks it seems to be a good scare tactic for forcing Bush' administration to take us out of Iraq but the rest of the Democrats have shot down the idea of this ever being passed in the house and the Republicans in the minority won't vote for it either. Its political suicide for the party who ever gets it passed with all the horrible shit that came from it in Vietnam.

The only way I, and many of the people I know including veterans of wars, would ever consider a draft being usable is if we're invaded.

I don't know that much about the draft, so bear with me if this sounds retarded.

I don't see a problem with it. I'm given to understand that it's a last resort. If people are not signing up for the armed forces, and we are at war, we need it. They don't just draft people at the start of a war, not paying attention to how many people enlist or not, do they?

I don't know if it would even be necessary then because enlistment rates would probably go through roof and we have a ton of troops stationed over seas (not just in Iraq) that we can bring back home

The US started the draft before WWII, and it was running continuously from then until when they stopped it after Vietnam. First it was to try to build up the army prior to US involvement in WWII, then we had to keep up the army to occupy Europe and deter the Soviets, then Korea happened, then there was a lull, but still the Soviets, and then Vietnam.

I ain't fighting against an enemy that blows themselves up to kill me. Fuck that shit.

Just start praying for high lottery numbers. Or low ones. Or whatever keeps you out.

Eh. There won't be a draft. It'll never pass Congress, especially with the Dems controlling it now.

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yeah, screw the draft

All I know is that if the draft comes back, the first thing I'm doing is applying for conscientious objector status.

The draft bill (introduced by a D, just so you know) was voted down in 2004 402-2.

Just shut the fuck up about it.

Democrat In Name Only.

Nah, that doesn't apply here. The main guy behind it doesn't even want it, he's just trying to get a message across and get himself some publicity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_B._Rangel#The_draft

Oh damn. Then what the hell is this guy trying to do? Though its not like it really matters, he's in the safest seat in the country.

Why don't presidents fight the wars? Why do they always send the poor.

Meh, I've got to say I'm really tired of hearing about this shit. It wasn't bad enough that every idiot in my highschool that thinks they know politics are always spouting the same anti-Bush rhetoric, but now they won't shut the hell up about the Draft, which is defintely never coming back.

As for my opinion on the draft: I don't care how dire a situation is looking, forcing someone to fight a battle they don't want any part in is just plain wrong, you don't even have to look at the constitution to know that.

In the unlikely event that the draft comes back while I'm still young enough to be drafted...I'm joining the military. Fuck leaving it up to chance, I want to know.

Because technically speaking somebody has to be running things. The president is supposed to be making vital decisions, I think , and they can't do that without having all the information in front of him and discussing things over with the joint chiefs of staff or whoever. If you want to send all of our leaders to the frontlines then you might as well give them a little golden key to hang around their necks symbolizing the keys to the USA.

Yes I know that's a SOAD lyric but I honestly think it's a stupid line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Genl242_ZU8

People also thought that the world was flat and women belonged in the kitchen.

The draft is necessary...just not right now. Atleast we don't have it at all times.

Yeah, kings may have been able to do it in the past, but most stayed at the back in heavy armor where they were very safe for the most part. And And there was an entirely different honor code back then. Nowadays, if the leader of countries were on the frontlines, they would be taken out immediately and it would be horrible for the country. There's also a lot of information to be considered and done, and the vision is much more limited when you're being shot at.

I'm all for it. Not just because I can't be drafted, though.

I think it's stupid, and it was only justified when there was a Holocaust in Europe, and a major attack from Japan. In times like that, you have to fight, because if you don't, and your country loses, your life is really going to suck anyway.

I disapprove of the draft during an offensive war. Although sometimes it seems the only reason there were ever peace protests in vietnam is because of the draft. Maybe we'd have more social activism if someone brought it back.

I'd just arrive at the recruiter station and lmao at them as I rolled back home.

There's not even a place for a large ground force in modern war though. And I mean war in the true sense, not this bullshit country-wide police force we have in Iraq. There will never be a justification for a draft ever again.

Ah one of the advantages of being gay. I'll tell like a motherfucker if I ever get drafted.

I like how everyone is proud to be part of the nation of the free who fought for their independance...up until someone suggest they actually prepertuate the sacrifice and effort put in by the founders.

Well it's not like the war we're fighting in the Middle East right now has anything to do with our independance, it's about a bunch of other peoples.

If it ever actually came to actually having to defend this country from a real threat, I sure as fuck wouldn't like the idea but I'd fight if called.

That's the most ill-thought out statement I've ever heard you say.

It's not like there is a person I know who would ever roll over if we were actually being attacked or invaded. How do you even draw a comparison between fighting for independence and fighting to impose your will on another country like in Vietnam or Iraq? And by "your will", I mean the will of the government, a will that is completely flawed.

Good, keep the arguments coming. Hey, someone has to squeeze this shit out of you or you're all amorphic cocksuckers. "Nah, just don't want to" simply doesn't weight as much as detailed, thought-out arguments y'know?


Come on, you KNOW I'm completly against the invasion of Afganistan, Iraq and Iran. I argued behemently agfainst the former two and was proven right on both counts. Why the hell would I want more people to go?